Jenna's eyes sparkled with something between curiosity and command. She held James’ cock in both hands now, marveling like it was some rare, precious artifact.
“Mark,” she said gently, “I want you to feel it. Really feel it. The weight of it.”
Mark froze, unsure if his legs would carry him closer.
“James,” she asked, turning slightly, “can he touch it?”
James gave a calm nod. “Of course. If he wants to.”
And Mark did. Or at least, something inside him did. He wasn’t sure if it was hunger, humiliation, arousal, or submission. Maybe all of them at once. He kneeled in front of them—his own pants still at his ankles—and reached out. His fingers wrapped around the thick shaft Jenna had been holding moments before.…
Just so I’m clear in my mind before I comment, are all the people involved in the story either bisexual or pansexual as the answer will play a large part in my response to this.
They all are consenting and that is what matters. We may get more about sexuality later.
Thanks for your response and in my mind it answers my question, but possibly not in the way you expect.
If I am straight and in an FLR and my wife orders me either explicitly or by inference such as is the case here, to engage in sexual activity that is not straight, and I do not have a safeword (since apparently FLR men aren’t even given that basic right that subs in BDSM scenes are given) then even if I have consented to be in the FLR and agreed to the meeting of the couples, unless my wife has explicitly told me in advance that this non straight activity will be taking place.
Then the action of my wife ordering me either explicitly or by inference, to carry out non straight sexual activity is, by using the threat of punishment including physical impact punishment, make my forced acceptance of the non straight sexual activity non consensual.
This is because I have no way to refuse her command since I have no safeword, and no way to exit the situation without punishment since in FLRs men are expected to obey all commands instantly under the threat of punishment as laid down in the FLR.
In other words, she’s using the FLR and it’s agreed upon threats of punishment (either physical, humiliation, degradation etc), as a way of forcing me to carry out acts against my will since I will not willingly carry out a non-straight sexual act unless there is some threat being made. This makes the scene in your story at the least sexual assault by both the wife, the other man and possibly the other lady too since by not objecting she is tacitly supporting the threats being made against me (depending on how much she’s aware of the situation).
This is what is so troubling and dare I say sickening to me about this type of FLRs which include such kinks since unlike BDSM relationships where scenes are of a limited timescale and include extensive genuine aftercare to both parties. Whereas in FLRs the man is expected to be living the scene 24-7, he doesn’t have a safeword to exit the scene and such ‘aftercare’ that exists, is purely focused on if she’s ok and his thoughts and feelings are irrelevant since in this type of FLR, only her pleasure and feelings matter.
I use Emma’s blogs on cuckolding for examples of so called ‘aftercare’ when the only things that is focused on is if she had a good time and if she’s ok, does she need a bath and a massage, does her body need cleaning with his tongue? It ignores whether he’s mentally ok after going through the humiliation and degradation of being forced to watch his wife being fucked by another man and her telling him how much better the other man is in every way, and insulting his body, his penis size, his stamina and the fact he can not satisfy her at all.
Therefore both in your story and in Emma’s cuckolding blog scenarios, the men have been reduced to the status of sex toys who will be used and abused however the wife wants and he has no way to exit the situation since he doesn’t have a safeword and there is the ever present threat of physical punishment hanging over him for breaking the FLR. I’d be safer going to a dominatrix than entering into such a FLR since at least I’d have a safeword and wouldn’t be expected to live inside a scene with no safeword 24-7.
Ergo, unless the man in your story is explicitly bisexual or pan sexual, this situation is rape at worst and sexual assault at ‘best’ since the man would not wish to carry out non straight sexual activity and yet CANNOT refuse and still remain within the terms of the FLR, and cannot avoid the punishment laid down in the FLR unlike a sub in a BSDM scene who can use their safeword to refuse.
To force a straight man to carry out a sexual act against their sexual identity, using threats of punishment under the terms of the FLR, and without a safeword, is rape or sexual assault even if that man previously consented to submitting to their wife in the FLR, unless the wife explicitly told him he what he would be doing and he explicitly agreed, preferably in front of witnesses or with a signed document. An FLR is not a blank cheque for a woman to order her man to do ANYTHING she wants, using the argument “well you signed the agreement to obey me in all things.”
So for you to say ‘they are all consenting and that is what matters’, is deeply troubling since you appear not to understand how complex consent can be in such a complicated situation as an FLR with no safeword.
I would think you have a safeword and consent is part of every relationship, every situation. I re-read the story and I didn’t see anything about a threat of physical harm if James chose to not follow the direction that Jenna gave. I question where the FLR blank check analogy is coming from, it certainly isn’t the style of FLR that I have or try to promote on this site.
Thanks for your reply and I agree every FLR relationship involving kinks needs a safeword and consent too of course. Just pointing out it’s specifically was Mark is ordered to do, rather than what James is going to receive that are problematic for me.
In my mind the threat of physical harm comes from most FLRs I see discussed, where if the man disobeys then his wife gets to physically punish him, such as a spanking, caning, etc. This is physical harm and therefore there is a threat to Mark.
In the story there is no mention of a safeword and no mention of this specific sexual activity being agreed, and the author says Mark’s sexuality doesn’t matter. I’ve argued above that it absolutely does matter since if he didn’t consent to bisexual sex and isn’t bisexual himself, he’d need to explicitly consent to this specific activity, rather than just a vague “I agree to follow my wife’s orders” as per the FLR and of course if he doesn’t have a safeword in this story (since it’s never referred to within Mark’s POV).
I’m getting the blank cheque analogy since no relationship agreement can possibly cover all possible situations and therefore it’ll probably have the “I agree to obey my wife in all things” line (or words to that effect). I’ve not seen any explanation in any of your blogs that I’ve read (and I admit I’ve not yet read them all) where it’s explained how these situations are approached ahead of time (if indeed they are) and whether the man is told what is going to happen and therefore if he has explicitly consented in advance rather than having to rely on the “I agree to obey my wife in all things” blanket consent which is extremely dubious.
In this story his shock is so apparent that it’s obvious that it wasn’t covered in advance otherwise he wouldn’t have been so shocked. Since it wasn’t covered, he couldn’t have specifically consented ahead of time. I’ve run the entire scenario past a friend of mine who writes spicy literature, and is therefore well versed in riding the line between CNC, NC and dubcon.
She said this story is right on the line between NC and dubcon due to the lack of safeword, him having the threat of physical punishment I discussed above, him not giving specific consent ahead of time since he didn’t know it was going to happen. She agreed the only thing that stops it being NC and therefore full on rape is the fact he submits and agrees without the threat of the physical punishment being present in his mind. However the whole situation is still dubcon.
I know you and Kev must have a relationship agreement so if you wouldn’t mind explaining how (theoretically) you’d have approached the situation in the story if your FLR agreement didn’t cover the situation that was happening?
I’ve also been reviewing why this story (and many of your other stories and blogs too) as I’m trying to work out why I’m getting so triggered.
I’ve managed to find a therapy method called S.E.E.N.
This stands for
Scared – what is it in what I’m reading that I’m scared of
Embarrassed – what is it in what I’m reading that I’m scared of
Expecting – what am I expecting to happen
Need – what is my need that is not being met
Based on this analysis method I’ve relooked at this story and come to the following conclusions and you might be able to help with these as I don’t want to be triggered all the time
Scared – I’m scared that if I was to be in this situation, I’d not have a safeword, I’d be scared of the punishment that I would get for not obeying. I’d be scared of the humiliation of being ordered to do this act when I’d not explicitly agreed to it. I’d be scared being laughed at by James and Alyssa who’d see me as weak and pathetic and subsequently treated as such in future meetings (since being treated like this is what happened in real life during my abuse)
Embarrassed – I’d be embarrassed to be seen as nothing, as worthless, as an object to be used and again of being laughed at by James and Alyssa and then subsequently treated differently since I’d be embarrassed that they’d seen my humiliation. (Again this is something I was terrified of in real life that someone would find out how I was treated and then I’d be further humiliated).
Expecting – I’d expect a safeword to be available even if it is considered and then dismissed. It shows I’m not simply a slave and an object to be used and abused. I’d also expect to have a choice. I can either do it or something else instead. I’d also expect to being forced to do it by her explicit order to do it when I’ve not explicitly consented to it (as per “my” shock at being asked to do it).
Need – I’d need to trust my wife that she wasn’t doing this simply to hurt, humiliate and degrade me, or simply as a show of strength. (Only the weak feel the need to show off their strength, such as it is. The truly strong show it simply by their own actions, not by forcing those weaker than themselves to humiliate and debase themselves). I’d need to feel safe to submit, in that I’m going to be kept safe from harm (ie no physical punishment if I refused because I’d not consented to it). I’d also need to know that I won’t be ridiculed, laughed at, or thought of as weak and pathetic by James and Alyssa, and treated as such in future encounters. I need to know that I wouldn’t be seen at the the weak loser, the pathetic sub who everyone pities by my wife, James and Alyssa. Finally I need to know that I’m loved and therefore if my wife is asking me to do this, she’ll still love me afterwards, that she’s not doing it because she hates me and force me to do things that hurt me (since this is what was done during my own abuse) and that if I refuse, that she’ll love me anyway.
Hope this all makes sense.
I love sucking a cock hard for a woman. I’ve noticed I also get hard while doing so!